Going green
Lucy Thomas, UBS-AM Head of Sustainable Investments, discusses our approach

Lucy Thomas
UBS-AM Head of Sustainable InvestmentsLucy Thomas, Head of Sustainable Investing, UBS Asset Management, sprach am UBS AM – APAC Green Forum 2022 über unseren Ansatz betreffend Nachhaltigkeit und nachhaltiges Anlegen.
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Sustainability at UBS Asset Management

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Sustainability at UBS Asset Management
>> Thank you, Yuan and Chris.
What a fabulous day, good afternoon to everyone
and thank you sincerely
for taking time out of your day to join us.
I'm really excited about the lineup that you have today.
We've picked across the whole of asset management
and beyond some really great sustainable capabilities,
so I think you're going to get a great mix today
of the different capabilities that sit across UBS
when it comes to sustainable investment.
You heard from Chris about our commitments as a group,
and we really do want to mobilize capital
towards the sustainable development goals,
and we look at this as part of our purpose
through three different lenses:
planet, which is taking climate action
and supporting towards a net-zero economy,
people, shaping a diverse, equitable and inclusive society
and partnerships, working with thought leaders,
working with collaborative groups
to achieve impact on a truly global scale.
Now what I think is different and stands out at UBS ...
I joined in January ...
is the senior commitments from the board all the way down.
This is shaping everything we do across the UBS Group,
and I've observed many organizations over many years
and how they embrace sustainability,
and when you get that super-purpose-led
senior commitments, that's a real game-changer
for how an organization lives and breathes
and the type of capability that sits within,
so that makes me very excited about the future
for what UBS is going to continue to do in an area
that I think has been incredible pedigree in sustainability.
What I have on this slide is a few milestones
that we're very proud of.
Indeed, if we put all of them in,
we get too crowded on this slide,
but back in 1997 we launched the first ...
That was our first sustainability-related fund,
so this is not new for UBS.
We've been doing this for a long time.
We understand sustainability.
In 2017 we launched our first impact
Strategies and climate-aware strategies,
and in 2020 we were a founding signatory
to the Net Zero Asset Manager Initiative
so combining the planners and partnerships
to make sure that we're moving forward in the right direction
towards the transition as an organization.
Last year we made our commitments to net zero by 2050
with an interim 2030 target,
and we've got a lot of work to do
to reach those targets as a society,
as an economy and indeed as an organization ourselves,
and we want to be there beside our clients
helping them achieve those commitments
as they see fit for their own organization.
People are everything to what we can
bring to the table on sustainability,
and as I mentioned, you've got a great panel.
You've got a great lineup here today,
but I wanted to give you a flavor
for how we organize ourselves within the sustainable investing
and impact team across asset management.
We have folks sitting in integration
so working alongside fundamental analysts to integrate ESG
into the investment decision-making process.
We have a top-down approach to corporate engagement
where we pick specific teams, and we engage with corporates.
We do research on these teams.
We've got a climate program. We have a social program,
and we use that research to engage with corporates
and really look for change. We have a stewardship group,
and they look more from a bottom-up perspective
at the idiosyncratic issues
that show up at an individual company,
and indeed a huge part of what they do
is executing the proxy voting,
so they will be looking at things like remuneration,
independence on the board among many other things.
We also have a team of sustainability specialists,
and they have global presence, which is very important to us
because it's very important to us
to understand individual client needs
and what clients are looking for so please use the chat.
We're really looking forward to hearing from you today
on questions you have, things that are on your mind.
What's important for you?
And we want to make sure that we can answer those for you
and at least share our thoughts on where the direction of travel
is for some of these things that haven't yet been settled
across our industry in terms of sustainability.
I wanted to also make sure that you heard
about our quantitative evidence and data science team
because I really love
what this brings to our sustainability offering.
So we have a team of data scientists
who use their firepower to understand
the ESG data more thoroughly.
We have multiple different feeds,
so an example of one of the things they do
instead of just taking carbon emissions from one provider,
they take a blend of carbon emissions,
so we have a proprietary carbon score,
which we think is more robust
and gives us more insightful data
on what's happening in company emissions across the globe.
We're supported across our team by analytics
and modeling, regulatory management.
As many of you would be aware,
the regulatory landscape is changing fast
and looking different in many different regions,
so we want to make sure
we can bring that to the table for clients,
and we also have a Group Chief Sustainability Office,
and that's at a group level
and supports the business divisions in the multiple areas
of things we look at so supporting us with research,
making sure we're all aware of regulatory changes,
looking at different methodologies.
There's a huge amount of know-how and capability
that fits within that team
that we think we could bring to our clients
from an asset management perspective.
And of course we collaborate across the investment teams
with the fundamental analysts
that sit across the multi-asset classes,
and I think this is something quite unique
that we bring to the table
because we often hear back from corporates
when we're engaging with them how much they value the fact
that we may have an equity fundamental analyst,
a fixed income credit analyst
and indeed a sustainability analyst
all at the same table for engagement.
We get the full picture of the company,
and it leads to some really constructive dialogue
that can shift and change for the better.
I mentioned that sustainability
is changing quickly in many different ways,
and indeed often I hear from different people about,
how do you keep up?
Because the benchmark keeps getting reset every single year
and what best practice looks like,
and we believe one of the strengths we have
is being able to bring these trends together for clients,
being able to help clients navigate
what that best practice looks like.
So what I thought I could do is give you an insight
into what some of these trends are
and how we're thinking about them within UBS.
So we've seen over the last few years
the emphasis shift from exclusions
to thinking about impact.
Historically when people thought about sustainability portfolios,
they often thought about what they don't want
to be associated with.
We now see a lot of emphasis on people thinking about,
okay, what does my capital contribute to?
What are those sustainability outcomes?
How can I understand what they are?
How can I target them ahead of time?
We have also seen a trend within our industry more broadly,
not just sustainability, moving from clients
want less off the shelf and more customization,
and we're really proud that's something we can do,
particularly in rules-based index-type strategies,
bringing that data science knowledge,
the fundamental and active side of the business to bear
on creating proprietary or index-based strategies
that really meet the sustainability preferences
of individual clients.
The third trend I have up here is around ESG
from risk management moving to ESG for alpha opportunities.
There was a period of time
where ESG was seen as good risk management.
If you incorporated it into the portfolio,
you may avoid the left tail risk, or indeed you might end up
with a better-quality portfolio over time,
but I think we are starting to see
the industry shift and understand
that there are many, many opportunities
that come from understanding sustainability themes, too,
and you'll hear a little bit more about that later,
and we're excited about some of the alpha opportunities
that we think sustainability brings.
And the last trend I have here is around stewardship,
so stewardship for us
is really moving from company-level active ownership
to system-level or ecosystem-active ownership,
and what I mean by that is,
we engage with corporates individually,
and we look for change, but we also recognize
that in a net-zero world or in a low-carbon economy,
it's the whole system that has to change,
so for us, it's really important to be involved
in industry organizations, talking to the exchanges,
making sure we're close to the index providers
and feeding back our insights
and what we're finding on the data.
All of these things that we think
makes the whole system more robust
and effectively lifts the beta of the overall market,
which we think is to the benefit of all of our clients.
Now that's not to say we're leaving behind ESG
for risk management or leaving
behind company-level active ownership.
That continues to be a huge part of what we do,
but we're conscious and aware of some of these other areas
that the industry is moving towards
and is a big part of where we are orientated as well.
So how do we bring these trends together for clients?
We're proud about what we can do in rules-based strategies
so applying screening and tilts to reflect
sustainability preferences using ESG metrics.
We also have a selection of great active
Strategies across different asset classes
that reflect some of the sustainability themes,
and the stewardship is the last layer on top
where we think we really bring a lot to the table
with the thought leadership,
the senior-level firm commitment to sustainability
and the global scale across asset class breadth.
It gives us a seat at many tables.
It gives us a degree of influence
to change for more sustainable outcomes.
We're very proud of that.
This is really a slide to give you a selection
and an insight into the wide variety of index
or rules-based type strategies that we can affect for clients,
so these are real examples of how we have tailored
with individual clients to meet their needs.
As you can see across this page,
we've got multifactor low-carbon.
We've got custom ESG tilts
that look at tilting towards human capital.
We've got the UN SDGs.
We've got climate-aware and net-zero-aligned,
so there's multiple ways that we can slice and dice
to make sure that portfolios are meeting
both the risk-return,
the individual tracking error or factor-based exposures
that clients are looking for as well as layering
on the sustainability preferences that are important.
I mentioned that we're excited about multiple
alpha opportunities across asset classes.
We have global equity impact
in the active equity side.
On the private side we have a number of exciting strategies
In private credit, life sciences, cold storage,
so there's a breadth of opportunities
that sit across the asset management sphere.
I talked about stewardship being really important,
and I'd just like to dig in here a little bit.
What I wanted to lay out was some of the key features
of our approach, but also why does it matter?
Why does it matter for your portfolio if you're with UBS?
So some of the features of our approach
is our focus on outcomes.
We see a lot across the industry,
a lot of focus on the number of meetings that people do,
the number of votes that people do.
We want to talk about the outcomes.
We want to talk about what was the value add for the portfolio?
And you'll find that in our most recent stewardship report.
We've got a ton of case studies that demonstrate the change
that's happened across companies
and how we were involved in that dialogue.
The second feature of our approach
is taking both a top-down, as I mentioned,
from a thematic and the bottom-up,
and we think that combination is really powerful
for understanding
what's actually going on in portfolios
but also addressing those system-level risks like climate,
like social themes that we think are very important
for driving overall returns
over the long-term across multi-asset-class portfolios.
I talked already about the company issue
and ecosystem engagement.
UBS is very privileged to sit on many different important bodies
such as the TCFD,
the TNFD, which is the Taskforce for Natural Capital
and many others in local areas, industry organizations
where we get a seat at the table
to help shape the new methodologies,
to help shape what self-regulation looks like.
In our stewardship approach,
we bring capability from the fundamental side,
the cross-asset-class side and the sustainability analyst
side to the table and what we do in stewardship,
and we think the combination of these diverse
capabilities really does bring a holistic perspective
to how we think about how sustainability
might impact individual corporates
and indeed what they can contribute to sustainability.
We are very proud that our research is used
to set the engagement objectives,
so we had some really super research last year
looking at the potential carbon abatement
cost curves for certain industries
where things like cement aluminum
where we know we need these industries for the transition,
but we also know they're heavily carbon-intensive right now,
so what is the cost for those companies to transition?
And what's the right time for them to spend that capex?
And we believe that there are more advantageous points in time
for them to do that and looking at those cost curves
to use that to engage with those decision-makers,
with those companies within those industries
to encourage that change,
and we think that really is a catalyst
to help unlock value for our clients,
and the last part is really important.
Our stewardship is more than just talk.
It has a feedback loop right into portfolio construction,
so if we've been engaging for corporate for a period of time,
and we don't see progress on a risk that we think is important,
that has led to divestments
so particularly on our climate program.
We reviewed the progress after 3 years
of how companies were doing, and that led to the divestments
from portfolios of some individual names.
Now that's not to say those names
won't come back in over time should they start to progress.
It's not a blanket exclusion, per se,
but it is a point in time to say
we're not seeing enough progress,
and this is the decision we're going to make,
so we think it gives us teeth to what we're doing,
and we think that's really important to have that
as our last-resort lever for progress.
I am going to stop there with giving you
hopefully a whirlwind tour through some of the things
we're doing around sustainability
across asset management.
You are in very good hands for the next few panels.
I think you're really going to enjoy some of the insights
that my colleagues are going to bring to you,
We would love to hear what's on your mind
and really thank you for taking time out of your day
to join us.
Highlights:
Highlights:
- Unser Ziel ist es, Kapital für die UN-Ziele für nachhaltige Entwicklung zu mobilisieren
- Das starke Engagement der UBS-Führungskräfte, vom Vorstand bis ganz nach unten, beeinflusst alle unsere Handlungen
- Wir haben ein bemerkenswertes Kurrikulum und ein tiefes Verständnis für Nachhaltigkeit
- Unsere Fähigkeit zum nachhaltigen Anlegen erstreckt sich über mehrere Teams
- Nachhaltigkeit im UBS Asset Management – Mehr als nur Gerede: Unser Ziel ist die Schaffung eines Ökosystems, welches wir anführen und in welchem wir auf Worte Taten folgen lassen
Sichtweise des UBS GWM Chief Investment Office zum nachhaltigen Anlegen
- Eines unserer Kernthemen beinhaltet die Erwartung, dass Wertaktien die Wachstumsaktien übertreffen werden. Unser Anlagenthema Geschlechtergleichstellung ermöglicht es uns, Werte zu verfolgen. Unternehmen, die unter einer Gender-Perspektive stärker diversifiziert sind, erzielen nachhaltig höhere Renditen und sind tendenziell wertorientierter. Dies ist eine Lösung, bei der wir auch taktisch vorgehen können. Unsere taktische Übergewichtung hat zu einer Outperformance im Vergleich zu traditionellen Geschäften geführt.
- Die Weltbevölkerung wächst, nähert sich den acht Milliarden und wird immer älter. Wir müssen effizienter werden, um damit klarzukommen. Wir müssen den Schwerpunkt ebenso auf Bildung legen. Alphabetisierung und Rechenkenntnisse fehlen in weiten Teilen der Welt. Wir können digitale Trends nutzen, um diese Probleme anzugehen und diesen Kindern ein besseres Leben zu ermöglichen.
- Nachhaltigkeit ist ein zentrales Anlagethema und ein langfristiger Trend. Durch Investitionen in Unternehmen, die sich für Nachhaltigkeit engagieren, können wir nicht nur mehr Ertrag und Wachstum erzielen, sondern auch einen positiven Einfluss auf die Welt ausüben.
Nachhaltiges Anlegen und Impact Investing: Von der Ausgrenzung zur Wirkung
- ESG-Faktoren werden systematisch in unseren Anlageprozess integriert, wobei unser Ansatz über alle Anlageklassen hinweg standardisiert ist.
- Stewardship ist ein zentraler Bestandteil des Anlageprozesses. Wir nutzen unsere Stärke als grosser Vermögensverwalter, um den positiven und grundlegenden Wandel auf der Unternehmensebene voranzutreiben.
- Wir glauben, dass Impact Investing der am weitesten entwickelte oder anspruchsvollste Teil des nachhaltigen Anlegens darstellt.
- Durch unser Engagement wollen wir die Unternehmen in unseren Portfolios dazu bringen, ihre Betriebsabläufe und Lieferketten zu verbessern.
Active Climate Aware Strategie
- Kernziel des Übereinkommen von Paris ist es, die Erderwärmung auf maximal 2 Grad Celsius über dem vorindustriellen Niveau und idealerweise unter 1,5 Grad Celsius zu begrenzen. Konkret bedeutet das, die Welt bis 2050 CO2-neutral zu machen.
- Am Ende des Jahrhunderts wird unser Planet wahrscheinlich wärmer sein als je zuvor in der Geschichte. Dies wird dramatische Auswirkungen auf unser Ökosystem, unsere Lebensweise und die Wirtschaft haben.
- Der Klimawandel birgt grundlegende und betriebliche Risiken für Unternehmen und veranlasst viele dazu, ihren Energieverbrauch und ihre CO2-Bilanz umfassender zu überdenken.
- Anlegern dabei zu helfen, sich für eine CO2-arme Wirtschaft zu positionieren, kann sowohl für Ihr Portfolio als auch für den Planeten von Vorteil sein. Dabei hat die Volatilität, die wir in den letzten Monaten erlebt haben, das Spektrum der Chancen erweitert.
Strategie nachhaltige Anlagelösung
- Vor einigen Jahren haben wir versucht, unsere Strategien auf Nachhaltigkeit auszurichten und unsere Portfolios auf diesen Ansatz umzustellen. Ziel unserer Nachhaltigkeitsstrategien ist es, attraktive risikoadjustierte Renditen zu bieten und einen positiven Einfluss auf die Umwelt und auf die Gesellschaft zu haben.
- Unserer Meinung nach geht es bei ESG nicht nur um Risikominderung. Es geht darum, den Wandel für die Zukunft zu begrüssen.
- Unternehmen, die auf den Klimawandel reagieren, verringern ihr Risiko, auf verlorenen Anlagen sitzen zu bleiben.
- Es ist wichtig, dass Unternehmen von all ihren Interessenvertretern respektiert werden, um Talente anzuziehen und Streitigkeiten, die zu einem Rechtsstreit führen könnten, zu vermeiden.
- Verbesserungen im Bereich der Unternehmensführung, wie z.B. mehr Transparenz und Einbeziehung, sollten den Unternehmen helfen, langfristig einen Mehrwert für die Anleger zu schaffen.
Nachhaltiges Investieren mit ETF
- UBS ist Vorreiter in Sachen nachhaltiges Anlegen. Wir haben unsere MSCI SRI-ETF vor mehr als einem Jahrzehnt lanciert. Im Jahr 2015 haben wir «Sustainable Fixed Income ETFs» auf den Markt gebracht, die sich auf US-Unternehmen konzentrierten und unser Angebot «Sustainable Equity ETFs» ergänzten.
- 2017 haben wir einen «Gender Equality ETF» und 2018 einen «Multilateral Development Bank Bond ETF» hinzugefügt, der sich an den UN-Zielen für nachhaltige Entwicklung orientieren soll.
- Unser Hauptziel besteht darin, unsere Kunden mit einem Bausteinkonzept zu versorgen. Die Zusammenarbeit mit erstklassigen Indexanbietern ist uns ebenfalls ein Anliegen. Gemeinsam mit MSCI und S&P bieten wir eine breite Palette von Lösungen an.
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